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  1. Brian Dillon
    January 15, 2019 @ 11:40 am

    The reason upstate New York hates NY government is because they don’t do anything for us. They say casinos are doing that. I haven’t noticed the difference myself. Upstate is totally ignored by Cuomo. Also Republicans in this state are frowned upon. Hence I bet a lot of the people leaving are Republicans.

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  2. Lou
    January 15, 2019 @ 6:34 pm

    I left Rochester suburb for South Carolina. I loved all the seasons in upstate…though gotta say that the stretches of grey skies in winter could get to you. But it was taxes that made me move. Bought a house down here just about the same price as the one i left in Rochester. With the difference in the tax bill my wife and I went on a Carribean cruise and a two week trip to Europe.

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  3. Pat
    January 16, 2019 @ 1:03 am

    I live about 20mins away from Roscoe and about an hour or so from Binghamton. True, most of what you said is true. Where I live and you live are totally different but also communities are different. Where I live there maybe nothing if people want to think that but I see more diversity. Upstate or higher my friend would tell me its “wonder bread” up there or white people even though there’s different cultures in each area. I tend to think that upstate are more community oriented than where I live as well as the preparation of fast food and food products sold. I have hope for my area but still people sometimes can’t deal with this area. There is a form of pessimism and the feeling that change isn’t coming quick enough that people lose interest in the area. I don’t really care about politics as long as it doesn’t affect my wellbeing but I love where I was born and raised. If people don’t want a part of it then that’s fine and there will always be a home for whoever wants to live upstate or be welcomed back. As for weather, it will always be too hot or too cold and the winter will seem to feel as though trapped and devoured within a gray cloud of darkness but that is nothing compared to the beauty each area NYS has to offer and literally for people it might be too much to take.

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  4. Jason
    January 16, 2019 @ 3:14 pm

    Combined Sales and Income Taxes – NYS leads the way at 12.7% with CT at 12.6 and NJ 12.2. So while you are right….that NYS never comes in first for any single one tax (Property / Income / Sales) we always come in the top…and when you look at what we pay in total Sales / Income / Property – NYS is without doubt top three if not top 1. So downplaying taxes does a disservice. It hurts the people that live here and it hurts the companies….which further hurts people living here. On top of that we have tax free zones where our corrupt politicians are picking and choosing who gets those benefits thus picking the winners while everyone else has to pay taxes to support them. We also have Albany controlled by downstate….thus it’s downstate that is telling us how to live. They want to ship their trash and have take our clean water and have us produce their energy…but they want to dictate how we produce that energy.

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    January 27, 2019 @ 8:02 am

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  6. Eleanor Celentani
    January 28, 2019 @ 12:16 am

    Thanks for this article, Chris. It was informative. Nice to have hard facts to look at. Maybe the state should advertise its diversity more, telling people that we have a wide variety of types of communities to choose from, and consider that a good thing.

    Of course resentment in politics doesn’t help anything. New, creative ideas are what unleash prosperity, which I think everyone wants. I know I am somewhat biased, but I feel problems of this nature needs to be looked at from a spiritual consciousness point of view, as well as the points of view you have listed in the article. On earth, conditions change, but our beliefs and attitudes have power to improve outcomes. This requires faith and patience, qualities not so evident in our 21st century mindset.

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  7. Paul McGloin
    February 28, 2019 @ 2:06 pm

    Whoever wrote this article has an agenda: “Aw, it it really so bad?” The answer: “Yes…it is.” People vote with their feet. At some point, New York will figure it out. But by then, New York will be the fifteenth most populous state in the nation, and my great-grandchildren will be approaching retirement. Good luck, NY!

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  10. Eric
    July 26, 2019 @ 7:25 pm

    All of the high paying manufacturing jobs are gone through all of central NY. Being replaced by low wage garbage jobs. The economy is shot and isn’t coming back anytime soon. The only hope we have is global warming driving people back up here

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  11. Darren
    August 4, 2019 @ 4:12 am

    Every state, County, city, has its ups and downs. Sometimes it’s due season and or weather; not to mention temperatures. Not one is gonna be perfect. You can live in a warmer state, but then you’re gonna have to deal with a different climate. Personally, I’d love to have 6 months of warm weather and 6 months of cold.

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  12. Michael
    August 27, 2019 @ 8:28 pm

    While I’ve lived in eastern Broome County for over a year while being from Raleigh NC, NY has many great things about it. For example, the various small town communities, pride in agriculture, tough, hardworking hands on kind of people. So many people I know here can work on a car, build a deck, do plumbing, etc etc..the climate produces a tough mentality and the work here is tough if you want to survive, but it produces some great people. Admirable…the negatives aren’t many but they’re big. The bighest being the weather, there are better options, of you want lush green summers with rolling hills or maintains the Southern Appalachians has all of that, except summer starts a month earlier and ends a month later. Winters aren’t as harsh and there isn’t a mud season. No black fly season. Yes, the South has more bugs but the flies/mosquitoes up here are worse. More days of sun, fewer clouds. Politics up here are ridiculous. You have a city telling country people what to do. Gas prices here suck. Roads here suck. Rust sucks. People are clearly leaving, you see homes for sale all over cities like Binghamton. Vacant buildings are rampant. These are just some observations Ive seen while being in the Southern Tier for a year having never been here prior. Goodluck NY

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    September 4, 2019 @ 5:28 pm

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  14. Kat
    October 13, 2019 @ 3:49 pm

    Can’t do anything about the weather in NY but it’s still a beautiful area! Or you can deal with hurricanes and bugs in the south or trade a harsh winter for an even harsher five month long AZ summer which is what I have done. Honestly, I hate the weather here too. I still miss NY, but I miss the old New York, the way it used to be! It breaks my heart to come back to boarded up houses in Binghamton and observe the steady decline on all levels. Lots of bad political decisions and those in charge, just not doing enough to keep “good” jobs in the area. IBM, Link Aviation…gone. Power company allowed acquisition by a foreign country moves company headquarters out of area. Some things you can control and some you can’t, i.e. death of the Malls/brick & mortar stores. Life goes in cycles and the Technological Era is the new industrial revolution. New York, once a leader has now fallen so far behind. The money needs to be funded to Upstate communities to fix their infrastructure and make the airport competitive like Elmira and Scranton……it can be done. There is so much more to NY than NYC. I sure don’t have the answers, just an observation but always have NY in my heart & head and keep hoping for a miracle to save what’s left and a thank you to those who try to do so.

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  15. Ed
    November 10, 2019 @ 10:26 am

    Too many upstate new yorkers are reactionary and blame other’s for things their own fault. Taxes are high partially because people choose to live in suburbs, which have higher property taxes than cities. Urban sprawl requires more money to pay for, and upkeep of, roads, sewers, power lines, fire services, etc…. than a more dense urban area requires. Decades of pushing car uae and a lack of investment in public transportation leads to more expenses for autos. Instead of dealing with the root of the problem, people react and blame high gas prices.
    The “were not someplace else” attitude is self defeating. Upstate can never be Paris, or San Francisco, but we can be upstate New York. Rather than build that upstate, too many react, complain it isn’t what it was, and want something that can never be. How can you keep and attract the youth when they grew up hearing about the problems and being told their future can never be here.
    There are many reasons to love, and hate, any place. Upstate will thrive or die upon the mindset of its inhabitants, too many which aren’t wanting it to shine because it would mean they would have to change themselves.

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